[Pacemaker] [RFC] Organizing HA Summit 2015

[Fabio M. Di Nitto]

All,

it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.

I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
Brno [1].

DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.

My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
the 5th of February.

The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
projects and explore common areas of improvements.

I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.

Thoughts?

Fabio

PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
an answer :)

[1] http://devconf.cz/

[Digimer]

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
All,
it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
Brno [1].
DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
the 5th of February.
The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
projects and explore common areas of improvements.
I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
Thoughts?
Fabio
PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
an answer :)
[1] http://devconf.cz/

I think this is a good idea. 3 days may be a good idea, as well.

I think I would be more useful trying to bring the user's perspective
more so than a developer's. So on that, I would like to propose a
discussion on merging some of the disparate lists, channels, sites, etc.
to help simplify life for new users looking for help from or to wanting
to join the HA community.

I also understand that Fabio will buy the first round of drinks. >:)

[Alan Robertson]

Hi Fabio,

Do you know much about the Brno DevConf?

I was wondering if the Assimilation Project might be interesting to the
audience there.
http://assimilationsystems.com/
http://assimproj.org/

It's related to High Availability in that we monitor systems and
services with zero configuration - we even use OCF RAs ;-). Because of
that, we could eventually intervene in systems - restarting services, or
even migrating them. That's not in current plans, but it is technically
very possible.

But it's so much more than that - and HUGELY scalable - 10K servers
without breathing hard, and 100K servers without proxies, etc. It also
discovers systems, services, dependencies, switch connections, and lots
of other things. Basically everything is done with near-zero
configuration. We wind up with a graph database describing everything
in great detail - and it's continually up to date.

I don't know if you know me, but I founded the Linux-HA project and led
it for about 10 years.

-- Alan Robertson
alanr at unix.sh

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
All,
it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
Brno [1].
DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
the 5th of February.
The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
projects and explore common areas of improvements.
I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
Thoughts?
Fabio
PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
an answer :)
[1] http://devconf.cz/
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[Fabio M. Di Nitto]

Hi Alan,

Post by Alan Robertson
Hi Fabio,
Do you know much about the Brno DevConf?

It would be my first visit to DevConf so not much really :)

Post by Alan Robertson
I was wondering if the Assimilation Project might be interesting to the
audience there.
http://assimilationsystems.com/
http://assimproj.org/
It's related to High Availability in that we monitor systems and
services with zero configuration - we even use OCF RAs ;-). Because of
that, we could eventually intervene in systems - restarting services, or
even migrating them. That's not in current plans, but it is technically
very possible.

I don't see why not. HA Summit != pacemaker ;)

Having a pool of presentations from other HA related project would be cool.

Post by Alan Robertson
But it's so much more than that - and HUGELY scalable - 10K servers
without breathing hard, and 100K servers without proxies, etc. It also
discovers systems, services, dependencies, switch connections, and lots
of other things. Basically everything is done with near-zero
configuration. We wind up with a graph database describing everything
in great detail - and it's continually up to date.

sounds interesting. Would you be willing to join us for a presentation/demo?

Post by Alan Robertson
I don't know if you know me, but I founded the Linux-HA project and led
it for about 10 years.

Yeps, your name is very well known :)

Cheers
Fabio

Post by Alan Robertson
-- Alan Robertson
alanr at unix.sh

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
All,
it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
Brno [1].
DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
the 5th of February.
The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
projects and explore common areas of improvements.
I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
Thoughts?
Fabio
PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
an answer :)
[1] http://devconf.cz/
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[Alan Robertson]

My apologizes for spamming everyone.

I thought I deleted all the other email addresses.

I failed.

Apologies :-(

-- Alan Robertson
alanr at unix.sh

[Fabio M. Di Nitto]

Post by Alan Robertson
My apologizes for spamming everyone.
I thought I deleted all the other email addresses.
I failed.
Apologies :-(

I think it's good that we have an open discussion with all parties
involved. I hardly fail to see that as an issue.

Apologies not accepted ;)

Fabio

[Digimer]

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Alan Robertson
My apologizes for spamming everyone.
I thought I deleted all the other email addresses.
I failed.
Apologies :-(

I think it's good that we have an open discussion with all parties
involved. I hardly fail to see that as an issue.
Apologies not accepted ;)
Fabio

+1 to err'ing on the side of too much talk. :)

[Alan Robertson]

I try to be very careful about what I post to Andrew's mailing list.

He got really irritated the last time I mentioned Assimilation on his
mailing list.

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Alan Robertson
My apologizes for spamming everyone.
I thought I deleted all the other email addresses.
I failed.
Apologies :-(

I think it's good that we have an open discussion with all parties
involved. I hardly fail to see that as an issue.
Apologies not accepted ;)
Fabio

[Andrew Beekhof]

Post by Alan Robertson
I try to be very careful about what I post to Andrew's mailing list.
He got really irritated the last time I mentioned Assimilation on his
mailing list.

I believe the extent of my Hulk-like rage was "Might have been nice to ask first".
Really irritated was when you reported the list to spamcop.

Post by Alan Robertson

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Alan Robertson
My apologizes for spamming everyone.
I thought I deleted all the other email addresses.
I failed.
Apologies :-(

I think it's good that we have an open discussion with all parties
involved. I hardly fail to see that as an issue.
Apologies not accepted ;)
Fabio

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[Digimer]

Post by Andrew Beekhof

Post by Alan Robertson
I try to be very careful about what I post to Andrew's mailing list.
He got really irritated the last time I mentioned Assimilation on his
mailing list.

I believe the extent of my Hulk-like rage was "Might have been nice to ask first".
Really irritated was when you reported the list to spamcop.

I'm not sure what history there is here, but I really want this meeting
to go well and be productive. Can I play moderator and ask that we set
old issues aside?

*digimer gives all a shot of rum in hopes that everyone stays happy.

[Michael Schwartzkopff]

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
All,
it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
Brno [1].
DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
the 5th of February.
The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
projects and explore common areas of improvements.
I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
Thoughts?
Fabio

I like to attend a HA summit to get info about the latest developments and to
meet the people in person. Happy Beering!

Mit freundlichen Gr??en,

Michael Schwartzkopff
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[Digimer]

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
All,
it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
Brno [1].
DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
the 5th of February.
The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
projects and explore common areas of improvements.
I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
Thoughts?
Fabio
PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
an answer :)
[1] http://devconf.cz/

How is this looking?

[Fabio M. Di Nitto]

just a kind reminder.

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
All,
it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
Brno [1].
DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
the 5th of February.
The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
projects and explore common areas of improvements.
I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
Thoughts?
Fabio
PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
an answer :)
[1] http://devconf.cz/

Could you please let me know by end of Nov if you are interested or not?

I have heard only from few people so far.

Cheers
Fabio

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[Digimer]

All the cool kids will be there.

You want to be a cool kid, right?

:p

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
just a kind reminder.

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
All,
it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
Brno [1].
DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
the 5th of February.
The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
projects and explore common areas of improvements.
I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
Thoughts?
Fabio
PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
an answer :)
[1] http://devconf.cz/

Could you please let me know by end of Nov if you are interested or not?
I have heard only from few people so far.
Cheers
Fabio
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[Lars Ellenberg]

Post by Digimer
All the cool kids will be there.
You want to be a cool kid, right?

Well, no. ;-)

But I'll still be there,
and a few other Linbit'ers as well.

Fabio, let us know what we could do to help make it happen.

Lars

Post by Digimer

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
just a kind reminder.

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
All,
it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
Brno [1].
DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
the 5th of February.
The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
projects and explore common areas of improvements.
I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
Thoughts?
Fabio
PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
an answer :)
[1] http://devconf.cz/

Could you please let me know by end of Nov if you are interested or not?
I have heard only from few people so far.
Cheers
Fabio

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[Fabio M. Di Nitto]

Post by Lars Ellenberg

Post by Digimer
All the cool kids will be there.
You want to be a cool kid, right?

Well, no. ;-)
But I'll still be there,
and a few other Linbit'ers as well.
Fabio, let us know what we could do to help make it happen.

I appreciate the offer.

Assuming we achieve quorum to do the event, I´d say that I´ll take of
the meeting rooms/hotel logistics and one "lunch and learn" pizza event.
It would be nice if others could organize a dinner event.

Cheers
Fabio

Post by Lars Ellenberg
Lars

Post by Digimer

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
just a kind reminder.

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
All,
it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
Brno [1].
DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
the 5th of February.
The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
projects and explore common areas of improvements.
I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
Thoughts?
Fabio
PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
an answer :)
[1] http://devconf.cz/

Could you please let me know by end of Nov if you are interested or not?
I have heard only from few people so far.
Cheers
Fabio

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[Michael Schwartzkopff]

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
just a kind reminder.

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
All,
it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
Brno [1].
DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
the 5th of February.
The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
projects and explore common areas of improvements.
I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
Thoughts?
Fabio
PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
an answer :)
[1] http://devconf.cz/

Could you please let me know by end of Nov if you are interested or not?
I have heard only from few people so far.

I am interested. Two days should be enough.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Michael Schwartzkopff

[Lars Marowsky-Bree]

On 2014-09-08T12:30:23, "Fabio M. Di Nitto" <***@redhat.com> wrote:

Folks, Fabio,

thanks for organizing this and getting the ball rolling. And again sorry
for being late to said game; I was busy elsewhere.

However, it seems that the idea for such a HA Summit in Brno/Feb 2015
hasn't exactly fallen on fertile grounds, even with the suggested
user/client day. (Or if there was a lot of feedback, it wasn't
public.)

I wonder why that is, and if/how we can make this more attractive?

Frankly, as might have been obvious ;-), for me the venue is an issue.
It's not easy to reach, and I'm theoretically fairly close in Germany
already.

I wonder if we could increase participation with a virtual meeting (on
either those dates or another), similar to what the Ceph Developer
Summit does?

Those appear really productive and make it possible for a wide range of
interested parties from all over the world to attend, regardless of
travel times, or even just attend select sessions (that would otherwise
make it hard to justify travel expenses & time off).


Alternatively, would a relocation to a more connected venue help, such
as Vienna xor Prague?


I'd love to get some more feedback from the community.

As Fabio put it, yes, I *can* suck it up and go to Brno if that's where
everyone goes to play ;-), but I'd also prefer to have a broader
participation.



Regards,
Lars
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Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
Folks, Fabio,
thanks for organizing this and getting the ball rolling. And again sorry
for being late to said game; I was busy elsewhere.
However, it seems that the idea for such a HA Summit in Brno/Feb 2015
hasn't exactly fallen on fertile grounds, even with the suggested
user/client day. (Or if there was a lot of feedback, it wasn't
public.)
I wonder why that is, and if/how we can make this more attractive?
Frankly, as might have been obvious ;-), for me the venue is an issue.
It's not easy to reach, and I'm theoretically fairly close in Germany
already.
I wonder if we could increase participation with a virtual meeting (on
either those dates or another), similar to what the Ceph Developer
Summit does?
Those appear really productive and make it possible for a wide range of
interested parties from all over the world to attend, regardless of
travel times, or even just attend select sessions (that would otherwise
make it hard to justify travel expenses & time off).
Alternatively, would a relocation to a more connected venue help, such
as Vienna xor Prague?
I'd love to get some more feedback from the community.
As Fabio put it, yes, I *can* suck it up and go to Brno if that's where
everyone goes to play ;-), but I'd also prefer to have a broader
participation.

Hi,

I will do some advertisement in Germany.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Michael Schwartzkopff

[Fabio M. Di Nitto]

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
Folks, Fabio,
thanks for organizing this and getting the ball rolling. And again sorry
for being late to said game; I was busy elsewhere.
However, it seems that the idea for such a HA Summit in Brno/Feb 2015
hasn't exactly fallen on fertile grounds, even with the suggested
user/client day. (Or if there was a lot of feedback, it wasn't
public.)
I wonder why that is, and if/how we can make this more attractive?
Frankly, as might have been obvious ;-), for me the venue is an issue.
It's not easy to reach, and I'm theoretically fairly close in Germany
already.
I wonder if we could increase participation with a virtual meeting (on
either those dates or another), similar to what the Ceph Developer
Summit does?
Those appear really productive and make it possible for a wide range of
interested parties from all over the world to attend, regardless of
travel times, or even just attend select sessions (that would otherwise
make it hard to justify travel expenses & time off).
Alternatively, would a relocation to a more connected venue help, such
as Vienna xor Prague?
I'd love to get some more feedback from the community.

I agree. some feedback would be useful.

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
As Fabio put it, yes, I *can* suck it up and go to Brno if that's where
everyone goes to play ;-), but I'd also prefer to have a broader
participation.

dates and location were chosen to piggy-back with devconf.cz and allow
people to travel for more than just HA Summit.

I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.

Fabio

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Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
Folks, Fabio,
thanks for organizing this and getting the ball rolling. And again sorry
for being late to said game; I was busy elsewhere.
However, it seems that the idea for such a HA Summit in Brno/Feb 2015
hasn't exactly fallen on fertile grounds, even with the suggested
user/client day. (Or if there was a lot of feedback, it wasn't
public.)
I wonder why that is, and if/how we can make this more attractive?

I suspect a lot of it is that, given people's busy schedules, February
seems far away. Also, I wonder how much discussion has happened outside
of these lists. Is it really that there hasn't been much feedback?

Fabio started this ball rolling, so I would be interested to hear what
he's heard.

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
Frankly, as might have been obvious ;-), for me the venue is an issue.
It's not easy to reach, and I'm theoretically fairly close in Germany
already.
I wonder if we could increase participation with a virtual meeting (on
either those dates or another), similar to what the Ceph Developer
Summit does?

Requested feedback given;

Virtual meetings are never as good, and I really don't like this idea.
In my experience, just as much productive decision making happens in the
unofficial after-hours activities as during formal(ish)
meetings/presentations.

I think it is very important that the meeting remain in-person if at all
possible.

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
Those appear really productive and make it possible for a wide range of
interested parties from all over the world to attend, regardless of
travel times, or even just attend select sessions (that would otherwise
make it hard to justify travel expenses & time off).
Alternatively, would a relocation to a more connected venue help, such
as Vienna xor Prague?

Personally, I don't care where we meet, but I do believe Fabio already
ruled out a relocation.

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
I'd love to get some more feedback from the community.

I agree. some feedback would be useful.

<digimer puts on her flame-retardant pantaloons and waits for the worst...>
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Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
dates and location were chosen to piggy-back with devconf.cz and allow
people to travel for more than just HA Summit.

Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do
not wear the fedora ;-)

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.

That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class
participants and is a PITA for everyone.

I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in
Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in
Europe etc.


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Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in

Oh, bring him! crazy++
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Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in

Oh, bring him! crazy++

What, you want to bring the guy who's boldly maintaining the outpost on
the southern frontier? ;)

*cough*

Barring a miracle or a sudden huge advance in matter transporter
technology I'm rather unlikely to make it, I'm afraid. But I'll add my
voice to what Lars said in another email - go all physical (with good
minutes/notes/etherpads for others to review - which I assume is what's
going to happen this time), or all virtual. Mixing the two is
exceedingly difficult to do well, IMO.

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Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
dates and location were chosen to piggy-back with devconf.cz and allow
people to travel for more than just HA Summit.

Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do
not wear the fedora ;-)

That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;)

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.

That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class
participants and is a PITA for everyone.

I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho.

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in
Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in
Europe etc.

Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia..

Fabio

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Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do
not wear the fedora ;-)

That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;)

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.

That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class
participants and is a PITA for everyone.

I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho.

I personally disagree. In my experience, one either does a face-to-face
meeting, or a virtual one that puts everyone on the same footing.
Mixing both works really badly unless the team already knows each
other.

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in
Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in
Europe etc.

Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia..

Yeah, but you're already bringing him for your personal conference.
That's a bit different. ;-)

OK, let's switch tracks a bit. What *topics* do we actually have? Can we
fill two days? Where would we want to collect them?


Regards,
Lars
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Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do
not wear the fedora ;-)

That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;)

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

IŽd prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.

That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class
participants and is a PITA for everyone.

I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho.

I personally disagree. In my experience, one either does a face-to-face
meeting, or a virtual one that puts everyone on the same footing.
Mixing both works really badly unless the team already knows each
other.

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in
Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in
Europe etc.

Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia..

Yeah, but you're already bringing him for your personal conference.
That's a bit different. ;-)
OK, let's switch tracks a bit. What *topics* do we actually have? Can we
fill two days? Where would we want to collect them?

- Roadmap: What to expect next.
- Unification: Locking and fencing the RH style (cman) and the rest of the
world.
- features in pacemaker
- Cluster File Systems: Which one is usable for what application.

All points from a users point of view. Not realated to any company.

I could present: "Monitoring of clusters".

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Michael Schwartzkopff

[Andrew Beekhof]

Post by Michael Schwartzkopff

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do
not wear the fedora ;-)

That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;)

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.

That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class
participants and is a PITA for everyone.

I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho.

I personally disagree. In my experience, one either does a face-to-face
meeting, or a virtual one that puts everyone on the same footing.
Mixing both works really badly unless the team already knows each
other.

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in
Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in
Europe etc.

Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia..

Yeah, but you're already bringing him for your personal conference.
That's a bit different. ;-)
OK, let's switch tracks a bit. What *topics* do we actually have? Can we
fill two days? Where would we want to collect them?

- Roadmap: What to expect next.
- Unification: Locking and fencing the RH style (cman) and the rest of the
world.

Unification is pretty much sorted AFAICS, RHEL ships corosync2 + pacemaker and SUSE either does already or is talking about doing it soon.
Pacemaker + CMAN was only ever a transitioning state.

Post by Michael Schwartzkopff
- features in pacemaker
- Cluster File Systems: Which one is usable for what application.
All points from a users point of view. Not realated to any company.
I could present: "Monitoring of clusters".
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
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Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do
not wear the fedora ;-)

That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;)

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.

That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class
participants and is a PITA for everyone.

I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho.

I personally disagree. In my experience, one either does a face-to-face
meeting, or a virtual one that puts everyone on the same footing.
Mixing both works really badly unless the team already knows each
other.

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in
Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in
Europe etc.

Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia..

Yeah, but you're already bringing him for your personal conference.
That's a bit different. ;-)
OK, let's switch tracks a bit. What *topics* do we actually have? Can we
fill two days? Where would we want to collect them?

Personally I'm interested in talking about scaling - with pacemaker-remoted and/or a new messaging/membership layer.

Other design-y topics:
- SBD
- degraded mode
- improved notifications
- containerisation of services (cgroups, docker, virt)
- resource-agents (upstream releases, handling of pull requests, testing)

User-facing topics could include recent features (ie. pacemaker-remoted, crm_resource --restart) and common deployment scenarios (eg. NFS) that people get wrong.
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----- Original Message -----

Post by Andrew Beekhof

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do
not wear the fedora ;-)

That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;)

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.

That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class
participants and is a PITA for everyone.

I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho.

I personally disagree. In my experience, one either does a face-to-face
meeting, or a virtual one that puts everyone on the same footing.
Mixing both works really badly unless the team already knows each
other.

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in
Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in
Europe etc.

Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia..

Yeah, but you're already bringing him for your personal conference.
That's a bit different. ;-)
OK, let's switch tracks a bit. What *topics* do we actually have? Can we
fill two days? Where would we want to collect them?

Personally I'm interested in talking about scaling - with pacemaker-remoted
and/or a new messaging/membership layer.

If we're going to talk about scaling, we should throw in our new docker support
in the same discussion. Docker lends itself well to the "pet vs cattle" analogy.
I see management of docker with pacemaker making quite a bit of sense now that we
have the ability to scale into the "cattle" territory.

Post by Andrew Beekhof
- SBD
- degraded mode
- improved notifications
- containerisation of services (cgroups, docker, virt)
- resource-agents (upstream releases, handling of pull requests, testing)

Yep, We definitely need to talk about the resource-agents.

Post by Andrew Beekhof
User-facing topics could include recent features (ie. pacemaker-remoted,
crm_resource --restart) and common deployment scenarios (eg. NFS) that
people get wrong.

Adding to the list, it would be a good idea to talk about Deployment
integration testing, what's going on with the phd project and why it's
important regardless if you're interested in what the project functionally
does.

-- Vossel

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On 2014-11-25T16:46:01, David Vossel <***@redhat.com> wrote:

Okay, okay, apparently we have got enough topics to discuss. I'll
grumble a bit more about Brno, but let's get the organisation of that
thing on track ... Sigh. Always so much work!

I'm assuming arrival on the 3rd and departure on the 6th would be the
plan?

Post by David Vossel

Post by Andrew Beekhof
Personally I'm interested in talking about scaling - with pacemaker-remoted
and/or a new messaging/membership layer.

If we're going to talk about scaling, we should throw in our new docker support
in the same discussion. Docker lends itself well to the "pet vs cattle" analogy.
I see management of docker with pacemaker making quite a bit of sense now that we
have the ability to scale into the "cattle" territory.

While we're on that, I'd like to throw in a heretic thought and suggest
that one might want to look at etcd and fleetd.

Post by David Vossel

Post by Andrew Beekhof
- SBD

Point taken. I have actually not forgotten this Andrew, and am reading
your development. I probably just need to pull the code over ...

Post by David Vossel

Post by Andrew Beekhof
- degraded mode
- improved notifications
- containerisation of services (cgroups, docker, virt)
- resource-agents (upstream releases, handling of pull requests, testing)

Yep, We definitely need to talk about the resource-agents.

Agreed.

Post by David Vossel

Post by Andrew Beekhof
User-facing topics could include recent features (ie. pacemaker-remoted,
crm_resource --restart) and common deployment scenarios (eg. NFS) that
people get wrong.

Adding to the list, it would be a good idea to talk about Deployment
integration testing, what's going on with the phd project and why it's
important regardless if you're interested in what the project functionally
does.

OK. So QA is within scope as well. It seems the agenda will fill up
quite nicely.


Regards,
Lars
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Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
Okay, okay, apparently we have got enough topics to discuss. I'll
grumble a bit more about Brno, but let's get the organisation of that
thing on track ... Sigh. Always so much work!
I'm assuming arrival on the 3rd and departure on the 6th would be the
plan?

Yes that´s correct. Devconf starts the 6.

Fabio

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by David Vossel

Post by Andrew Beekhof
Personally I'm interested in talking about scaling - with pacemaker-remoted
and/or a new messaging/membership layer.

If we're going to talk about scaling, we should throw in our new docker support
in the same discussion. Docker lends itself well to the "pet vs cattle" analogy.
I see management of docker with pacemaker making quite a bit of sense now that we
have the ability to scale into the "cattle" territory.

While we're on that, I'd like to throw in a heretic thought and suggest
that one might want to look at etcd and fleetd.

Post by David Vossel

Post by Andrew Beekhof
- SBD

Point taken. I have actually not forgotten this Andrew, and am reading
your development. I probably just need to pull the code over ...

Post by David Vossel

Post by Andrew Beekhof
- degraded mode
- improved notifications
- containerisation of services (cgroups, docker, virt)
- resource-agents (upstream releases, handling of pull requests, testing)

Yep, We definitely need to talk about the resource-agents.

Agreed.

Post by David Vossel

Post by Andrew Beekhof
User-facing topics could include recent features (ie. pacemaker-remoted,
crm_resource --restart) and common deployment scenarios (eg. NFS) that
people get wrong.

Adding to the list, it would be a good idea to talk about Deployment
integration testing, what's going on with the phd project and why it's
important regardless if you're interested in what the project functionally
does.

OK. So QA is within scope as well. It seems the agenda will fill up
quite nicely.
Regards,
Lars

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Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
Okay, okay, apparently we have got enough topics to discuss. I'll
grumble a bit more about Brno, but let's get the organisation of that
thing on track ... Sigh. Always so much work!
I'm assuming arrival on the 3rd and departure on the 6th would be the
plan?

Post by David Vossel

Post by Andrew Beekhof
Personally I'm interested in talking about scaling - with pacemaker-remoted
and/or a new messaging/membership layer.

If we're going to talk about scaling, we should throw in our new docker support
in the same discussion. Docker lends itself well to the "pet vs cattle" analogy.
I see management of docker with pacemaker making quite a bit of sense now that we
have the ability to scale into the "cattle" territory.

While we're on that, I'd like to throw in a heretic thought and suggest
that one might want to look at etcd and fleetd.

Nod. I suspect the next evolutionary step will be to sit on a NoSQL/Big-data kind of table.... somehow.
I was intending to head down that path last year when I did all that cib work.

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by David Vossel

Post by Andrew Beekhof
- SBD

Point taken. I have actually not forgotten this Andrew, and am reading
your development. I probably just need to pull the code over ...

ok

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by David Vossel

Post by Andrew Beekhof
- degraded mode
- improved notifications
- containerisation of services (cgroups, docker, virt)
- resource-agents (upstream releases, handling of pull requests, testing)

Yep, We definitely need to talk about the resource-agents.

Agreed.

Post by David Vossel

Post by Andrew Beekhof
User-facing topics could include recent features (ie. pacemaker-remoted,
crm_resource --restart) and common deployment scenarios (eg. NFS) that
people get wrong.

Adding to the list, it would be a good idea to talk about Deployment
integration testing, what's going on with the phd project and why it's
important regardless if you're interested in what the project functionally
does.

OK. So QA is within scope as well. It seems the agenda will fill up
quite nicely.
Regards,
Lars
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Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
Okay, okay, apparently we have got enough topics to discuss. I'll
grumble a bit more about Brno, but let's get the organisation of that
thing on track ... Sigh. Always so much work!

Will Chris Feist be at the summit? I would be happy to have a roundtable
discussion or something similar about clients, exchange ideas and so
on. I don't necessarily think that there is an urgent need to unify the
efforts code-wise, but I think there is a lot we could do together on
the level of idea exchange without giving up our independence, so to
speak ;)

Of course I would be happy to talk about such things with anyone else
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Post by Kristoffer Grönlund

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
Okay, okay, apparently we have got enough topics to discuss. I'll
grumble a bit more about Brno, but let's get the organisation of that
thing on track ... Sigh. Always so much work!

Will Chris Feist be at the summit?

Yes :)

Fabio

Post by Kristoffer Grönlund
I would be happy to have a roundtable
discussion or something similar about clients, exchange ideas and so
on. I don't necessarily think that there is an urgent need to unify the
efforts code-wise, but I think there is a lot we could do together on
the level of idea exchange without giving up our independence, so to
speak ;)
Of course I would be happy to talk about such things with anyone else
who is interested as well.

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Post by Kristoffer Grönlund

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
Okay, okay, apparently we have got enough topics to discuss. I'll
grumble a bit more about Brno, but let's get the organisation of that
thing on track ... Sigh. Always so much work!

Will Chris Feist be at the summit? I would be happy to have a roundtable
discussion or something similar about clients, exchange ideas and so
on. I don't necessarily think that there is an urgent need to unify the
efforts code-wise, but I think there is a lot we could do together on
the level of idea exchange without giving up our independence, so to
speak ;)
Of course I would be happy to talk about such things with anyone else
who is interested as well.

sorry, I keep replying from my private email address...

Yes Chris will be there too.

Fabio

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Post by Andrew Beekhof

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
Yeah, but you're already bringing him for your personal conference.
That's a bit different. ;-)
OK, let's switch tracks a bit. What *topics* do we actually have? Can we
fill two days? Where would we want to collect them?

Personally I'm interested in talking about scaling - with pacemaker-remoted and/or a new messaging/membership layer.
- SBD
- degraded mode
- improved notifications

This my be something my company can bring to the table. We just hired a
dev whose principle goal is to develop and alert system for HA. We're
modelling it heavily on the fence/resource agent model with a "scan
core" and "scan agents". It's sort of like existing tools, but designed
specifically for HA clusters and heavily focused on not interfering with
the host more than at all necessary. By Feb., it should be mostly done.

We're doing this for our own needs, but it might be a framework worth
talking about, if nothing else to see if others consider it a fit. Of
course, it will be entirely open source. *If* there is interest, I could
put together a(n informal) talk on it with a demo.

Post by Andrew Beekhof
- containerisation of services (cgroups, docker, virt)
- resource-agents (upstream releases, handling of pull requests, testing)
User-facing topics could include recent features (ie. pacemaker-remoted, crm_resource --restart) and common deployment scenarios (eg. NFS) that people get wrong.

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Post by Andrew Beekhof

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
Yeah, but you're already bringing him for your personal conference.
That's a bit different. ;-)
OK, let's switch tracks a bit. What *topics* do we actually have? Can we
fill two days? Where would we want to collect them?

Personally I'm interested in talking about scaling - with pacemaker-remoted and/or a new messaging/membership layer.
- SBD
- degraded mode
- improved notifications

This my be something my company can bring to the table. We just hired a dev whose principle goal is to develop and alert system for HA. We're modelling it heavily on the fence/resource agent model with a "scan core" and "scan agents". It's sort of like existing tools, but designed specifically for HA clusters and heavily focused on not interfering with the host more than at all necessary. By Feb., it should be mostly done.
We're doing this for our own needs, but it might be a framework worth talking about, if nothing else to see if others consider it a fit. Of course, it will be entirely open source. *If* there is interest, I could put together a(n informal) talk on it with a demo.

Definitely interesting

Post by Andrew Beekhof
- containerisation of services (cgroups, docker, virt)
- resource-agents (upstream releases, handling of pull requests, testing)
User-facing topics could include recent features (ie. pacemaker-remoted, crm_resource --restart) and common deployment scenarios (eg. NFS) that people get wrong.

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Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do
not wear the fedora ;-)

That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;)

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.

That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class
participants and is a PITA for everyone.

I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho.

I personally disagree. In my experience, one either does a face-to-face
meeting, or a virtual one that puts everyone on the same footing.
Mixing both works really badly unless the team already knows each
other.

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in
Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in
Europe etc.

Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia..

Yeah, but you're already bringing him for your personal conference.
That's a bit different. ;-)
OK, let's switch tracks a bit. What *topics* do we actually have? Can we
fill two days? Where would we want to collect them?

I´d say either a google doc or any random etherpad/wiki instance will do
just fine.

As for the topics:
- corosync qdevice and plugins (network, disk, integration with sdb?,
others?)
- corosync RRP / libknet integration/replacement
- fence autodetection/autoconfiguration

For the user facing topics (that is if there are enough participants and
I only got 1 user confirmation so far):

- demos, cluster 101, tutorials
- get feedback
- get feedback
- get more feedback

Fabio

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Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do
not wear the fedora ;-)

That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;)

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.

That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class
participants and is a PITA for everyone.

I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho.

I personally disagree. In my experience, one either does a face-to-face
meeting, or a virtual one that puts everyone on the same footing.
Mixing both works really badly unless the team already knows each
other.

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in
Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in
Europe etc.

Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia..

Yeah, but you're already bringing him for your personal conference.
That's a bit different. ;-)
OK, let's switch tracks a bit. What *topics* do we actually have? Can we
fill two days? Where would we want to collect them?

I´d say either a google doc or any random etherpad/wiki instance will do
just fine.
- corosync qdevice and plugins (network, disk, integration with sdb?,
others?)
- corosync RRP / libknet integration/replacement
- fence autodetection/autoconfiguration
For the user facing topics (that is if there are enough participants and
- demos, cluster 101, tutorials
- get feedback
- get feedback
- get more feedback
Fabio

I'd be happy to do a cluster 101 or similar, if there is interest. Not
sure if that would be particularly appealing to anyone coming to our
meeting, as I think anyone interested is probably well past 101. :)
Anyway, you guys know my background, let me know if there is a topic
you'd like me to cover for the user side of things.
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Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do
not wear the fedora ;-)

That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;)

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.

That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class
participants and is a PITA for everyone.

I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho.

I personally disagree. In my experience, one either does a face-to-face
meeting, or a virtual one that puts everyone on the same footing.
Mixing both works really badly unless the team already knows each
other.

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in
Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in
Europe etc.

Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia..

Yeah, but you're already bringing him for your personal conference.
That's a bit different. ;-)
OK, let's switch tracks a bit. What *topics* do we actually have? Can we
fill two days? Where would we want to collect them?

I´d say either a google doc or any random etherpad/wiki instance will do
just fine.
- corosync qdevice and plugins (network, disk, integration with sdb?,
others?)
- corosync RRP / libknet integration/replacement
- fence autodetection/autoconfiguration
For the user facing topics (that is if there are enough participants and
- demos, cluster 101, tutorials
- get feedback
- get feedback
- get more feedback
Fabio

Ok, I do have a topic I want to add;

Merging the dozen different mailing lists, IRC channels and other
support forums. This thread is a good example of the thinness that the
community is spread over.

A 'dev', 'user', 'announce' list should be enough for all HA. Likewise,
one IRC channel should be enough, too.

The trick will be discussing this without bikeshedding. :)

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Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do
not wear the fedora ;-)

That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;)

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.

That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class
participants and is a PITA for everyone.

I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho.

I personally disagree. In my experience, one either does a face-to-face
meeting, or a virtual one that puts everyone on the same footing.
Mixing both works really badly unless the team already knows each
other.

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in
Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in
Europe etc.

Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia..

Yeah, but you're already bringing him for your personal conference.
That's a bit different. ;-)
OK, let's switch tracks a bit. What *topics* do we actually have? Can we
fill two days? Where would we want to collect them?

I´d say either a google doc or any random etherpad/wiki instance will do
just fine.

-ENOGOOGLE

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
- corosync qdevice and plugins (network, disk, integration with sdb?,
others?)
- corosync RRP / libknet integration/replacement
- fence autodetection/autoconfiguration
For the user facing topics (that is if there are enough participants and
- demos, cluster 101, tutorials
- get feedback
- get feedback
- get more feedback
Fabio
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[Vladislav Bogdanov]

25.11.2014 12:54, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:...

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
OK, let's switch tracks a bit. What *topics* do we actually have? Can we
fill two days? Where would we want to collect them?

Just my 2c.

- It would be interesting to get some bird-view information
on what C APIs corosync and pacemaker currently provide to application
developers (one immediate use-case is in-app monitoring of the cluster
events).

- One more (more developer-bounded) topic could be a "resource degraded
state" support. From the user perspective it would be nice to have. One
immediate example is iscsi connection to several portals. When some
portals are not accessible, connection still may work, but in the
"degraded" state.

Best,
Vladislav


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I would be interested in the "user" conference rather then the "dev" one,
so the 1st day of the 3 days option mentioned by Fabio.

I will stay tuned!

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
dates and location were chosen to piggy-back with devconf.cz and allow
people to travel for more than just HA Summit.

Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do
not wear the fedora ;-)

That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;)

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
IÂŽd prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.

That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class
participants and is a PITA for everyone.

I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho.

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree
I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in
Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in
Europe etc.

Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia..
Fabio
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Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
dates and location were chosen to piggy-back with devconf.cz and allow
people to travel for more than just HA Summit.

Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do
not wear the fedora ;-)

Its not necessarily the conference of choice even for people that do.
I just do what I'm told :)

Post by Lars Marowsky-Bree

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.

That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class
participants and is a PITA for everyone.
I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in
Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in
Europe etc.
Regards,
Lars
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I just created a dedicated/fresh wiki for planning and organizing:

http://plan.alteeve.ca/index.php/Main_Page

Other than the domain, it has no association with any existing project,
so it should be a neutral enough platform. Also, it's not owned by
$megacorp (I wish!), so spying/privacy shouldn't be an issue I hope. If
there is concern, I can setup https.

If no one else gets to it before me, I'll start collating the data from
the mailing list onto that wiki tomorrow (maaaybe today, depends).

The wiki requires registration, but that's it. I'm not bothering with
captchas because, in my experience, spammer walk right through them
anyway. I do have edits email me, so I can catch and roll back any spam
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Post by Digimer
http://plan.alteeve.ca/index.php/Main_Page
Other than the domain, it has no association with any existing project,
so it should be a neutral enough platform. Also, it's not owned by
$megacorp (I wish!), so spying/privacy shouldn't be an issue I hope. If
there is concern, I can setup https.
If no one else gets to it before me, I'll start collating the data from
the mailing list onto that wiki tomorrow (maaaybe today, depends).
The wiki requires registration, but that's it. I'm not bothering with
captchas because, in my experience, spammer walk right through them
anyway. I do have edits email me, so I can catch and roll back any spam
quickly.

Awesome! thanks for taking care of it. Do you have a chance to add also
an instance of etherpad to the site?

Mostly to do collaborative editing while we sit all around the same table.

Otherwise we can use a public instance and copy paste info after that in
the wiki.

Fabio

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Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Digimer
http://plan.alteeve.ca/index.php/Main_Page
Other than the domain, it has no association with any existing project,
so it should be a neutral enough platform. Also, it's not owned by
$megacorp (I wish!), so spying/privacy shouldn't be an issue I hope. If
there is concern, I can setup https.
If no one else gets to it before me, I'll start collating the data from
the mailing list onto that wiki tomorrow (maaaybe today, depends).
The wiki requires registration, but that's it. I'm not bothering with
captchas because, in my experience, spammer walk right through them
anyway. I do have edits email me, so I can catch and roll back any spam
quickly.

Awesome! thanks for taking care of it. Do you have a chance to add also
an instance of etherpad to the site?
Mostly to do collaborative editing while we sit all around the same table.
Otherwise we can use a public instance and copy paste info after that in
the wiki.
Fabio

Never tried setting up etherpad before, but if it runs on rhel 6, I
should have no problem setting it up.
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[Jan Pokorný]

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Digimer
http://plan.alteeve.ca/index.php/Main_Page
[...]

Awesome! thanks for taking care of it. Do you have a chance to add also
an instance of etherpad to the site?
Mostly to do collaborative editing while we sit all around the same table.
Otherwise we can use a public instance and copy paste info after that in
the wiki.

Never tried setting up etherpad before, but if it runs on rhel 6, I should
have no problem setting it up.

Provided no conspiracy to be started, there are a bunch of popular
instances, e.g. http://piratepad.net/

[Fabio M. Di Nitto]

Post by Jan Pokorný

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Digimer
http://plan.alteeve.ca/index.php/Main_Page
[...]

Awesome! thanks for taking care of it. Do you have a chance to add also
an instance of etherpad to the site?
Mostly to do collaborative editing while we sit all around the same table.
Otherwise we can use a public instance and copy paste info after that in
the wiki.

Never tried setting up etherpad before, but if it runs on rhel 6, I should
have no problem setting it up.

Provided no conspiracy to be started, there are a bunch of popular
instances, e.g. http://piratepad.net/

Right, some of them only store etherpads for 30 days. Just be careful
the one we choose or we make our own.

Fabio

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Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Jan Pokorný

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto

Post by Digimer
http://plan.alteeve.ca/index.php/Main_Page
[...]

Awesome! thanks for taking care of it. Do you have a chance to add also
an instance of etherpad to the site?
Mostly to do collaborative editing while we sit all around the same table.
Otherwise we can use a public instance and copy paste info after that in
the wiki.

Never tried setting up etherpad before, but if it runs on rhel 6, I should
have no problem setting it up.

Provided no conspiracy to be started, there are a bunch of popular
instances, e.g. http://piratepad.net/

Right, some of them only store etherpads for 30 days. Just be careful
the one we choose or we make our own.
Fabio

I'll set one up, but I'll need a few days, I'm out of the country at the
moment. It's not needed until the conference, is it? Or will you want to
have it before then?
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[Digimer]

Post by Digimer
http://plan.alteeve.ca/index.php/Main_Page
Other than the domain, it has no association with any existing project,
so it should be a neutral enough platform. Also, it's not owned by
$megacorp (I wish!), so spying/privacy shouldn't be an issue I hope. If
there is concern, I can setup https.
If no one else gets to it before me, I'll start collating the data from
the mailing list onto that wiki tomorrow (maaaybe today, depends).
The wiki requires registration, but that's it. I'm not bothering with
captchas because, in my experience, spammer walk right through them
anyway. I do have edits email me, so I can catch and roll back any spam
quickly.

Ok, I was getting 3~5 spam accounts created per day. To deal with this,
I setup 'questy' captcha program with five (random) questions that
should be easy to answer, even for non-english speakers. Just the same,
if anyone has any trouble registering, please feel free to email me
directly and I will be happy to help.

Madi
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[Jan Pokorný]

Hello,

it occured to me that if you want to use the opportunity and double
as as tourist while being in Brno, it's about the right time to
consider reservations/ticket purchases this early.
At least in some cases it is a must, e.g., Villa Tugendhat:

http://rezervace.spilberk.cz/langchange.aspx?mrsname=&languageId=2&returnUrl=%2Flist

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
the 5th of February.

[Keisuke MORI]

Hi all,

Really late response but,
I will be joining the HA summit, with a few colleagues from NTT.

See you guys in Brno,
Thanks,

Post by Jan Pokorný
Hello,
it occured to me that if you want to use the opportunity and double
as as tourist while being in Brno, it's about the right time to
consider reservations/ticket purchases this early.
http://rezervace.spilberk.cz/langchange.aspx?mrsname=&languageId=2&returnUrl=%2Flist

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
the 5th of February.

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[Digimer]

It will be very nice to see you again! Will Ikeda-san be there as well?

digimer

Post by Keisuke MORI
Hi all,
Really late response but,
I will be joining the HA summit, with a few colleagues from NTT.
See you guys in Brno,
Thanks,

Post by Jan Pokorný
Hello,
it occured to me that if you want to use the opportunity and double
as as tourist while being in Brno, it's about the right time to
consider reservations/ticket purchases this early.
http://rezervace.spilberk.cz/langchange.aspx?mrsname=&languageId=2&returnUrl=%2Flist

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
the 5th of February.

--
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Hi Digimer,

I am Iida to participate from NTT along with Mori.
I want you added to the list of participants.

I'm sorry contact is late.

Regards,
Yusuke

Post by Digimer
It will be very nice to see you again! Will Ikeda-san be there as well?
digimer

Post by Keisuke MORI
Hi all,
Really late response but,
I will be joining the HA summit, with a few colleagues from NTT.
See you guys in Brno,
Thanks,

Post by Jan Pokorný
Hello,
it occured to me that if you want to use the opportunity and double
as as tourist while being in Brno, it's about the right time to
consider reservations/ticket purchases this early.
http://rezervace.spilberk.cz/langchange.aspx?mrsname=&languageId=2&returnUrl=%2Flist

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
the 5th of February.

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Woohoo!!

Will be very nice to see you. :)

I've added you. Can you give me a short sentence to introduce yourself
to people who haven't met you?

Madi

Post by Yusuke Iida
Hi Digimer,
I am Iida to participate from NTT along with Mori.
I want you added to the list of participants.
I'm sorry contact is late.
Regards,
Yusuke

Post by Digimer
It will be very nice to see you again! Will Ikeda-san be there as well?
digimer

Post by Keisuke MORI
Hi all,
Really late response but,
I will be joining the HA summit, with a few colleagues from NTT.
See you guys in Brno,
Thanks,

Post by Jan Pokorný
Hello,
it occured to me that if you want to use the opportunity and double
as as tourist while being in Brno, it's about the right time to
consider reservations/ticket purchases this early.
http://rezervace.spilberk.cz/langchange.aspx?mrsname=&languageId=2&returnUrl=%2Flist

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
the 5th of February.

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Thank you for adding to the list!

introduce: Japanese Pacemaker developer (and user). Belong to the
Linux-HA japan. @yuusuke on Github.

This, please.

Thanks,
Yusuke

Post by Digimer
Woohoo!!
Will be very nice to see you. :)
I've added you. Can you give me a short sentence to introduce yourself to
people who haven't met you?
Madi

Post by Yusuke Iida
Hi Digimer,
I am Iida to participate from NTT along with Mori.
I want you added to the list of participants.
I'm sorry contact is late.
Regards,
Yusuke

Post by Digimer
It will be very nice to see you again! Will Ikeda-san be there as well?
digimer

Post by Keisuke MORI
Hi all,
Really late response but,
I will be joining the HA summit, with a few colleagues from NTT.
See you guys in Brno,
Thanks,

Post by Jan Pokorný
Hello,
it occured to me that if you want to use the opportunity and double
as as tourist while being in Brno, it's about the right time to
consider reservations/ticket purchases this early.
http://rezervace.spilberk.cz/langchange.aspx?mrsname=&languageId=2&returnUrl=%2Flist

Post by Fabio M. Di Nitto
DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
the 5th of February.

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Spammers got through the captcha, *sigh*.

If anyone wants to create an account to edit, please email me off-list
and I'll get you setup ASAP. Sorry for the hassle.

http://plan.alteeve.ca/index.php/Main_Page
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[Digimer]

Hi all,

With Fabio away for now, I (and others) are working on the final
preparations for the summit. This is your chance to speak up and
influence the planning! Objections/suggestions? Speak now please. :)

In particular, please raise topics you want to discuss. Either add
them to the wiki directly or email me and I will update the wiki for
you. (Note that registration is closed because of spammers, if you want
an account just let me know and I'll open it back up).

The plan is;

* Informal atmosphere with limited structure to make sure key topics are
addressed.

Two ways topics will be discussed;

** Someone will guide a given topic they want to raise for ~45 minutes,
15 minutes for Q&A

** "Round-table" style discussion with no one person leading (though it
would be nice to have someone taking notes).

People presenting are asked not to use slides. Hand-outs are fine and
either a white-board or paper flip-board will be available for
illustrating ideas and flushing out concepts.

The summit will start at 9:00 and go until 17:00. We'll go for a
semi-official summit dinner and drinks around 6pm on the 4th (location
to be determined). Those staying in Brno are more than welcome to join
an informal dinner and drinks (and possibly some sight-seeing, etc) the
evening of the 5th.

Any concerns/comments/suggestions, please speak up ASAP!
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All,

Post by Keisuke MORI
Hi all,
With Fabio away for now, I (and others) are working on the final
preparations for the summit. This is your chance to speak up and
influence the planning! Objections/suggestions? Speak now please. :)

Digimer, I would like to thank you very much for helping in the
organization of the summit.

I unfortunately have to cancel my travel and won´t be able to attend
myself. Maybe I´ll join some sessions remotely if time allows.

I wish everybody to have a great time in Brno and make the best out of
it! I am really looking forward to see the outcome when so many
brilliant people will sit in the same room.

Cheers
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Hello cluster masters,

Post by Digimer
Any concerns/comments/suggestions, please speak up ASAP!

I'd like to throw a key-signing party as it will be a perfect
opportunity to build a web of trust amongst us.

If you haven't incorporated OpenPGP to your communication with the
world yet, I would recommend at least considering it, even more in
the post-Snowden era. You can use it to prove authenticity/integrity
of the data you emit (signing; not just for email as is the case
with this one, but also for SW releases and more), provide
privacy/confidentiality of interchanged data (encryption; again,
typical scenario is a private email, e.g., when you responsibly
report a vulnerability to the respective maintainers), or both.

In case you have no experience with this technology, there are
plentiful resources on GnuPG (most renowned FOSS implementation):
- https://www.gnupg.org/documentation/howtos.en.html
- http://cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/keysigning_party/en/keysigning_party.html#prep
(preparation steps for a key-signing party)
- ...

To make the verification process as smooth and as little
time-consuming as possible, I would stick with a list-based method:
http://cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/keysigning_party/en/keysigning_party.html#list_based
and volunteer for a role of a coordinator.


What's needed?
Once you have a key pair (and provided that you are using GnuPG), please
run the following sequence:

# figure out the key ID for the identity to be verified;
# IDENTITY is either your associated email address/your name
# if only single key ID matches, specific key otherwise
# (you can use "gpg -K" to select a desired ID at the "sec" line)
KEY=$(gpg --with-colons 'IDENTITY' | grep '^pub' | cut -d: -f5)

# export the public key to a file that is suitable for exchange
gpg --export -a -- $KEY > $KEY

# verify that you have an expected data to share
gpg --with-fingerprint -- $KEY

with IDENTITY adjusted as per the instruction above, and send me the
resulting $KEY file, preferably in a signed (or even encrypted[*]) email
from an address associated with that very public key of yours.

[*] You can find my public key at public keyservers:
http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x60BCBB4F5CD7F9EF
Indeed, the trust in this key should be ephemeral/one-off
(e.g., using a temporary keyring, not a universal one before we proceed
with the signing :)


Timeline?
Best if you send me your public keys before 2015-02-02. I will then
compile a list of the attendees together with their keys and publish
it at https://people.redhat.com/jpokorny/keysigning/2015-ha/
so you can print it out and be ready for the party.

Thanks for your cooperation, looking forward to this side-event and
hope this will be beneficial to all involved.


P.S. There's now an opportunity to visit an exhibition of the Bohemian
Crown Jewels replicas directly in Brno (sorry, Google Translate only)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.letohradekbrno.cz%2F%3Fidm%3D55

[Digimer]

Post by Jan Pokorný
Hello cluster masters,

Post by Digimer
Any concerns/comments/suggestions, please speak up ASAP!

I'd like to throw a key-signing party as it will be a perfect
opportunity to build a web of trust amongst us.
If you haven't incorporated OpenPGP to your communication with the
world yet, I would recommend at least considering it, even more in
the post-Snowden era. You can use it to prove authenticity/integrity
of the data you emit (signing; not just for email as is the case
with this one, but also for SW releases and more), provide
privacy/confidentiality of interchanged data (encryption; again,
typical scenario is a private email, e.g., when you responsibly
report a vulnerability to the respective maintainers), or both.
In case you have no experience with this technology, there are
- https://www.gnupg.org/documentation/howtos.en.html
- http://cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/keysigning_party/en/keysigning_party.html#prep
(preparation steps for a key-signing party)
- ...
To make the verification process as smooth and as little
http://cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/keysigning_party/en/keysigning_party.html#list_based
and volunteer for a role of a coordinator.
What's needed?
Once you have a key pair (and provided that you are using GnuPG), please
# figure out the key ID for the identity to be verified;
# IDENTITY is either your associated email address/your name
# if only single key ID matches, specific key otherwise
# (you can use "gpg -K" to select a desired ID at the "sec" line)
KEY=$(gpg --with-colons 'IDENTITY' | grep '^pub' | cut -d: -f5)
# export the public key to a file that is suitable for exchange
gpg --export -a -- $KEY > $KEY
# verify that you have an expected data to share
gpg --with-fingerprint -- $KEY
with IDENTITY adjusted as per the instruction above, and send me the
resulting $KEY file, preferably in a signed (or even encrypted[*]) email
from an address associated with that very public key of yours.
http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x60BCBB4F5CD7F9EF
Indeed, the trust in this key should be ephemeral/one-off
(e.g., using a temporary keyring, not a universal one before we proceed
with the signing :)
Timeline?
Best if you send me your public keys before 2015-02-02. I will then
compile a list of the attendees together with their keys and publish
it at https://people.redhat.com/jpokorny/keysigning/2015-ha/
so you can print it out and be ready for the party.
Thanks for your cooperation, looking forward to this side-event and
hope this will be beneficial to all involved.
P.S. There's now an opportunity to visit an exhibition of the Bohemian
Crown Jewels replicas directly in Brno (sorry, Google Translate only)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.letohradekbrno.cz%2F%3Fidm%3D55

=o, keysigning is a brilliant idea!

I can put the keys in the plan wiki, too.
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Post by Digimer

Post by Jan Pokorný
Hello cluster masters,

Post by Digimer
Any concerns/comments/suggestions, please speak up ASAP!

I'd like to throw a key-signing party as it will be a perfect
opportunity to build a web of trust amongst us.
If you haven't incorporated OpenPGP to your communication with the
world yet, I would recommend at least considering it, even more in
the post-Snowden era. You can use it to prove authenticity/integrity
of the data you emit (signing; not just for email as is the case
with this one, but also for SW releases and more), provide
privacy/confidentiality of interchanged data (encryption; again,
typical scenario is a private email, e.g., when you responsibly
report a vulnerability to the respective maintainers), or both.
In case you have no experience with this technology, there are
- https://www.gnupg.org/documentation/howtos.en.html
-
http://cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/keysigning_party/en/keysigning_party.html#
prep>
(preparation steps for a key-signing party)
- ...
To make the verification process as smooth and as little
http://cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/keysigning_party/en/keysigning_party.html#l
ist_based and volunteer for a role of a coordinator.
What's needed?
Once you have a key pair (and provided that you are using GnuPG), please
# figure out the key ID for the identity to be verified;
# IDENTITY is either your associated email address/your name
# if only single key ID matches, specific key otherwise
# (you can use "gpg -K" to select a desired ID at the "sec" line)
KEY=$(gpg --with-colons 'IDENTITY' | grep '^pub' | cut -d: -f5)
# export the public key to a file that is suitable for exchange
gpg --export -a -- $KEY > $KEY
# verify that you have an expected data to share
gpg --with-fingerprint -- $KEY
with IDENTITY adjusted as per the instruction above, and send me the
resulting $KEY file, preferably in a signed (or even encrypted[*]) email
from an address associated with that very public key of yours.
http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x60BCBB4F5CD7F
9EF Indeed, the trust in this key should be ephemeral/one-off
(e.g., using a temporary keyring, not a universal one before we proceed
with the signing :)
Timeline?
Best if you send me your public keys before 2015-02-02. I will then
compile a list of the attendees together with their keys and publish
it at https://people.redhat.com/jpokorny/keysigning/2015-ha/
so you can print it out and be ready for the party.
Thanks for your cooperation, looking forward to this side-event and
hope this will be beneficial to all involved.
P.S. There's now an opportunity to visit an exhibition of the Bohemian
Crown Jewels replicas directly in Brno (sorry, Google Translate only)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie
=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.letohradekbrno.cz%2F%3Fidm%3D55

=o, keysigning is a brilliant idea!
I can put the keys in the plan wiki, too.

What about publishing keys in DNSSEC?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

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Post by Michael Schwartzkopff

Post by Digimer

Post by Jan Pokorný
Thanks for your cooperation, looking forward to this side-event and
hope this will be beneficial to all involved.

=o, keysigning is a brilliant idea!
I can put the keys in the plan wiki, too.

What about publishing keys in DNSSEC?

Relevant:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2015-January/207255.html

$ sudo yum -y install hash-slinger
$ FEDID=jpokorny
$ GNUPGHOME=/tmp openpgpkey --fetch --insecure ${FEDID}@fedoraproject.org \
--uid ${FEDID}@redhat.com
[KEY ITSELF]

Note that the key I've put into Fedora account system (and which is
indirectly signing this message) does not have the respective UID with
fedoraproject.org domain associated (hence "--uid" override).

And perhaps it will work for you without "--insecure" switch.

[Jan Pokorný]

Post by Jan Pokorný
What's needed?
Once you have a key pair (and provided that you are using GnuPG), please
# figure out the key ID for the identity to be verified;
# IDENTITY is either your associated email address/your name
# if only single key ID matches, specific key otherwise
# (you can use "gpg -K" to select a desired ID at the "sec" line)
KEY=$(gpg --with-colons 'IDENTITY' | grep '^pub' | cut -d: -f5)

Oops, sorry, somehow '-k' got lost above ^. Correct version:

KEY=$(gpg -k --with-colons 'IDENTITY' | grep '^pub' | cut -d: -f5)

Post by Jan Pokorný
# export the public key to a file that is suitable for exchange
gpg --export -a -- $KEY > $KEY
# verify that you have an expected data to share
gpg --with-fingerprint -- $KEY

[Jan Pokorný]

Post by Jan Pokorný
Timeline?
Best if you send me your public keys before 2015-02-02. I will then
compile a list of the attendees together with their keys and publish
it at https://people.redhat.com/jpokorny/keysigning/2015-ha/
so you can print it out and be ready for the party.
Thanks for your cooperation, looking forward to this side-event and
hope this will be beneficial to all involved.

Thanks for participating.

Please print out
https://people.redhat.com/jpokorny/keysigning/2015-ha/complete.html
(best in landscape format), prior to checking your fingerprints
there, indeed, prepare you ID document, and you are ready to proceed
the signing event, which is currently planned on 2015-02-05 16:30 CET:
http://plan.alteeve.ca/index.php/Main_Page#Feb_5th
(I'll post an update should it change).

[Digimer]

Post by Jan Pokorný

Post by Jan Pokorný
Timeline?
Best if you send me your public keys before 2015-02-02. I will then
compile a list of the attendees together with their keys and publish
it at https://people.redhat.com/jpokorny/keysigning/2015-ha/
so you can print it out and be ready for the party.
Thanks for your cooperation, looking forward to this side-event and
hope this will be beneficial to all involved.

Thanks for participating.
Please print out
https://people.redhat.com/jpokorny/keysigning/2015-ha/complete.html
(best in landscape format), prior to checking your fingerprints
there, indeed, prepare you ID document, and you are ready to proceed
http://plan.alteeve.ca/index.php/Main_Page#Feb_5th
(I'll post an update should it change).

Will there be a printer available in the room/area of the summit? If so,
it might be good to set aside a bit of time to help people new to PGP
get setup before the actual key-signing.
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Post by Jan Pokorný

Post by Jan Pokorný
Timeline?
Best if you send me your public keys before 2015-02-02. I will then
compile a list of the attendees together with their keys and publish
it at https://people.redhat.com/jpokorny/keysigning/2015-ha/
so you can print it out and be ready for the party.
Thanks for your cooperation, looking forward to this side-event and
hope this will be beneficial to all involved.

Thanks for participating.
Please print out
https://people.redhat.com/jpokorny/keysigning/2015-ha/complete.html
(best in landscape format), prior to checking your fingerprints
there, indeed, prepare your ID document, and you are ready to proceed
http://plan.alteeve.ca/index.php/Main_Page#Feb_5th
(I'll post an update should it change).

Will there be a printer available in the room/area of the summit? If so, it
might be good to set aside a bit of time to help people new to PGP get setup
before the actual key-signing.

due to a popular demand and in order not to push back those jumping
onboard after the preliminary deadline, let's give it one more round.

Should you have any personal key still to run through the signing event,
please send me you signed keys (preferably as per instructions [1])
by 2014-02-04 8:00 CET and I will compile an additional list that I'll
hand out to you in a printed form during the summit (for practical
reasons; still get complete.html printed on your own as per original
plan if possible, please). Except for those who've already done that :]

[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/linux-cluster/2015-January/msg00020.html

[Dejan Muhamedagic]

Hi Digimer,

Post by Keisuke MORI
Hi all,
With Fabio away for now, I (and others) are working on the final
preparations for the summit. This is your chance to speak up and
influence the planning! Objections/suggestions? Speak now please. :)
In particular, please raise topics you want to discuss. Either add
them to the wiki directly or email me and I will update the wiki for
you. (Note that registration is closed because of spammers, if you
want an account just let me know and I'll open it back up).

Sorry for being so late with the discussion proposal.

I'd like to discuss Geo Clustering and booth.

Cheers and see you in a few days,

Dejan

Post by Keisuke MORI
The plan is;
* Informal atmosphere with limited structure to make sure key topics
are addressed.
Two ways topics will be discussed;
** Someone will guide a given topic they want to raise for ~45
minutes, 15 minutes for Q&A
** "Round-table" style discussion with no one person leading (though
it would be nice to have someone taking notes).
People presenting are asked not to use slides. Hand-outs are fine
and either a white-board or paper flip-board will be available for
illustrating ideas and flushing out concepts.
The summit will start at 9:00 and go until 17:00. We'll go for a
semi-official summit dinner and drinks around 6pm on the 4th
(location to be determined). Those staying in Brno are more than
welcome to join an informal dinner and drinks (and possibly some
sight-seeing, etc) the evening of the 5th.
Any concerns/comments/suggestions, please speak up ASAP!
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Post by Yusuke Iida
Hi Digimer,

Post by Keisuke MORI
Hi all,
With Fabio away for now, I (and others) are working on the final
preparations for the summit. This is your chance to speak up and
influence the planning! Objections/suggestions? Speak now please. :)
In particular, please raise topics you want to discuss. Either add
them to the wiki directly or email me and I will update the wiki for
you. (Note that registration is closed because of spammers, if you
want an account just let me know and I'll open it back up).

Sorry for being so late with the discussion proposal.
I'd like to discuss Geo Clustering and booth.
Cheers and see you in a few days,
Dejan

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